God vs science

I have no clue who wrote this, but I find it very interesting and relevant, so enjoy.

A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the

students, 'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The

atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks

one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely.'

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes.'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly.

'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you.

Let's say there's a sick person over here and you  can cure him. You

can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good.'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you

could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues.

'He doesn't, does He? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer,

even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good?

Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent.

'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says.

He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student

time to relax.

'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Errr yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there

evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir.'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes.'

'So who created evil?'

The professor continued,

'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil  exists,

and according to the principle that our  works define who we are, then

God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer.

'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible

things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet.

'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question.

'Who created them?'

There is still no answer. Suddenly the  lecturer breaks away to pace

in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

'Tell me,' he continues onto another student.

'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks.

'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing.

'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the

world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your

Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or

God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes.'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable

protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to

that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies.

'I only have my faith. '

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem

science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own.

'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'

'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested.

The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat,

unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't

have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero,

which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that.. There is no

such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than the

lowest

-458 degrees.' 'Every body or object is susceptible to study when it

has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have

or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of

heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence

of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units

because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just

the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in

the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if

it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the

absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright

light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have

nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it?

That's the meaning we use to define the word.'

'In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make

darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This

will be a good semester.

'So what point are you making, young  man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to

start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time.

'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.

'You argue that there is life and then there's death, a good God and a

bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite,

something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.

It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully

understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be

ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell

me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from

a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,

yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes

where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and

cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you

not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a

preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the

commotion has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student,

let me give you an example of what I mean.'

The student looks around the  room.

'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?'

The class breaks out into laughter.

'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt

the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one

appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of

empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have

no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So if science says you have

no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his

face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.

'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with

life,' the student continues.

'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see

it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man.

It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.

These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied,

'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself.

Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold,

a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did

not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not

have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes

when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no

light.'

The professor sat down.

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What's your story?

What do you believe? Everyone believes something. Science,evolution, relativism, reincarnation, where exactly does your belief system lead you? And what proof can you present?

My belief says that a glorious God created us and everything around us. If this was not all created by God, then how did it all come into being? Science has no solid answers for us. However I might be willing to concede that science and the creator can work together harmoniously. Many great scientists have believed in God. Kelvin, Pasteur, Newton and Einstein to name just a few.

Evolution by all practicle intents and pupose doesn't work by anyones stretch of imagination. Lets think about it reasonably for a moment. When was the last time anything other than nothing was established from nothing,then turned into something else?

Reincarnation? Sounds like nothing more than a means of avoiding death and judgment. what do you suppose being a frog is like? I guess if you can't figure out life as a human the odds you'll get there as a frog or maybe a rock are tremendously improved.

What do you think about relativism? though I guess if thats your thing it really doesn't matter. You could run yourself around in circles for decades trying to incorporate everyones values into a melting pot of ethical conformity. You would not however be able to allow for a just and righteous God. that would then in my opinion be a flawed ideology.

All these belief systems create more questions of themselves than they provide answers. There is only one place your search can take you if you desire answers to life, to why we are here, to what happens after. God not only created everything, he also gave us an instruction manual. The bible holds the answers to your qustions. It holds the answers to questions about life truth and happiness. It tells us of the truth of salvation  and how to be reconciled with God through Jesus Christ. I would challenge you to read the bible for yourself and see just how many answers you come up with for those questions you might have.

You see we all must believe in something. Why not make that something the creator of everything?

           God bless and may he lead you to true happiness

 

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The conversation

How are you doing?

I'd be doing a lot better if the weather would clear up.

Did God rain on your parade?

Something like that, but I don't think it was God I'm an atheist.

I doubt it probably more agnostic.

What?

Atheism doesn't exist.

What are you talking about I just said it did, God doesn't exist.

What does God look like to you?

Nothing, I just told you God does not exist.

So is that your definition of existence then, being something?

Okay, I guess you could say that.

Is that rock something?

Yes.

Is the sidewalk something?

Yes.

Do they then exist?

In a manner of speaking, yes.

Is a thought something?

Yes.

So have you ever thought about God?

No.

Are you sure? Do you just jump to illogical conclusions without thinking?

No, you're trying to twist my words around.

I'm trying to lead you into the light, that you might know the truth.

I have used logic to come to the conclusion that there is no God.

So you have thought about God?

Yeah, okay I have thought about God and I don't believe.

Your logic is fooling you because you have already admitted you believe in God.

No I haven't, you are not hearing what I'm saying.

I hear you clearly, I don't think you are listening to yourself.

Whatever, I don't want to talk about your God.

It's not my God; It's your God we are talking about.

I don't believe in God.

You have to admit though, you have thought about God. If you had'nt you could'nt actually say without doubt in your own mind that there might possibly be a God. If you had not at least thought about the fact of God, to simply disclaim His being would be somewhat stupid. Are you stupid?

No.

So you have thought about God?

Yes.

So if a thought is something and something is existence, then even if God is just a pure and simple thought, you have to admit He exists.

You can twist my words all you want, I still don't believe.

We have established you do believe, even if God is just a thought, we just have to work on your salvation now.

So if I give you that, If God does exist simply as a thought,then you have to concede that God would cease to exist soon

as I stop thinking about Him.

Everything man has created originated from just a thought, I believe that you would be hard pressed to stop thinking about it. Just because something is not on your mind for a moment, that does not defer it's relevance.

Yeah but if God is just a thought, then once the thought is gone then so is God.

What about when someone else thinks about the thought that you call god? To be completely honest though you have to understand that God is more than a thought, much more.

So you said that atheism couldn't exist, how can you explain that?

What does your atheist religion claim you believe in?

It's not a religion; it's a lack of religion.

If that were true there wouldn't be so many people out there trying to evangelize for atheism. I would call it one of the more aggressive religions there is. So what is it that your atheism worships?

Nothing, that's the point, there is no God.

Define nothing.

How do you define nothing? It is nothing, now I have to ask you are you stupid?

Possibly, but think about it in nothing, still there is something.

Huh?

What's in your hand?

Nothing, Ha, see I win.

Okay so if you cupped your hand would it hold air?

Yeah, kind of.

Isn't air one of those life sustaining somethings?

Yes, but there is still nothing.

If it is something you require to stay alive how can you say it is nothing? Even in the vacuum of space there is something, in all places at all times there is something. Something is like God in that aspect.

So God is something?

See I knew you would come around.

No, wait a minute, that's not what I said

Okay, doesn't nothingness define non-existence?

More or less, that's what I've been saying, God is nothing

But then to believe in nothing, would be a non-existent hypothesis.

Exactly what I'm telling you. God doesn't exist he is nothing, what part of that don't you understand?

We have already established your belief in God now it's just a matter of your acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Savior, but we are showing now that atheism does not exist.

Yeah but now I've got you, because by your own argument if a thought is something and something exists then I have thought about it and I believe that atheism does exist, so now what do you have to say?

But your belief tells you to believe in nothing, nothingness is an inconceivable concept. Remember even in nothing there is something, so I don't understand how a belief in nothing can be upheld.

It's not really a belief in nothing; it's a belief in no God.

We have already established however your belief in God, so how can that be a belief? Your belief structure has a flaw. If you would like to fix that we could discuss how you might find salvation through belief in Jesus Christ.

No thanks.

You don't want to know the truth?

I know the truth I know what I believe.

So you are then assured of salvation?

I don't know nothing about that, but I do know that what I believe is the truth to me.

So truth is relative then? Is that what you are saying?

Yeah, you know everybody has there own perception of what is true.

Wow it would be great if the law worked like that, no your honor that is not one of my laws so I can't be charged with it.

Now you're talking!

So I'm not really sure if you are an anarchist or a relativist. Do you know?

I'm hopeless

We all are that's why we need Jesus, that's why he paid the price for our sins that's why we can't do it on our own. I've got to get going, you have a great day and may God bless you

You too.