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2010-04-25T03:04:00.000-07:00

April 25: On Creating One's Own Ideology... Rewriting One's Own Values

Decades ago, C. S. Lewis penned this somber warning:

"The diseases that will certainly end our species… if it is not crushed, (is) the fatal superstition that men can create values; that a community can choose its 'ideology' as men choose their clothes."

We as a nation have done exactly what C. S. Lewis warned against. Reminiscent, is it not, of Israel's condition in her depravation:

"In those days there was no king in Israel; all the people did what was right in their own eyes." (Judges 17:6)

And as a result, America today is facing a crisis of values of monumental proportions. Some observers are terming it a "Civil War" of values.

Tragically, this deterioration of values has profoundly impacted your lost associates: Most of them sense that there is something terribly wrong in the Land. But because they are generally lacking in a Biblical perspective, they have scant idea how we as a People got to this point, much less how they can personally escape from it.

Let me ask you a question: "As a believer in Christ, are you also writing and embracing your own brand of "Christian" values… your own ideology, that conveniently accommodates your quest for personal freedom?"

If the answer is "yes," then your lost friends are being deprived of observing in you two important realities that a life of obedience to Christ would have revealed:

(1) The magnitude of their lostness, and

(2) The fact that there is a way out of their life of bondage.

In this age of disintegrating values, may I urge you to respond to Paul's passionate challenge:

"That you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe as you hold out the word of life… " (Philippians 2:15b-16a)

—Facts of the Matter

Are we really heard?

2010-04-10T15:38:00.001-07:00

I listen to the rant from the Politicos, they speak as though they represent you and me. I here talk of the little guy having a voice, unfortunately it is not my voice. Is it your's ? Is your government speaking for you? Or are they spouting their own agenda?
Stevens had strongly dissented in that corporate-friendly campaign finance case, saying it did nothing less than threaten "to undermine the integrity of elected institutions around the nation." And Obama all but referenced the court ruling when he said from the Rose Garden on Friday that he is poised to choose a nominee who "like Justice Stevens, knows that in a democracy, powerful interests must not be allowed to drown out the voices of ordinary citizens.
I will agree that powerful interest groups should not be the deciding factor in the political climate, but at what time will my government start speaking for me? Is it not of the people, for the people? Where exactly then, did thee peoples voice become mute, to those in power? If we elect them, we are screwed. That should be the diadem of politicians. Maybe I should just stick to preaching the gospel and leave politics to the other assholes. It does me no good to voice an opinion that falls upon deaf ears. I can say what I want, but the politicians have their own agenda. Screw you, better for me!. The new political spiel. Gotta love those that speak for you and I.

God!

2010-04-04T11:51:00.000-07:00

Colossians 1:16 (NASB)
¹⁶For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Philippians 2:5-11 (NASB)
⁵Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,
⁶who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped,
⁷but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men.
⁸Being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
⁹For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,
¹⁰so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
¹¹and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

John 20:26-29 (NASB)
²⁶After eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus *came, the doors having been shut, and stood in their midst and said, "Peace be with you."
²⁷Then He *said to Thomas, "Reach here with your finger, and see My hands; and reach here your hand and put it into My side; and do not be unbelieving, but believing."
²⁸Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
²⁹Jesus *said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed."

Caliguticians

2010-03-25T08:59:00.001-07:00

Hello, hello, is anybody in there? Is there anyone at home? I tried to call you, but no one answered the phone. Try this maybe nod if you can here me. So let me see if I understand the whole scheme of the political climate. The House fought so hard to get passed a landmark medical package, that no body with any common sense wanted. Immediately the President our esteemed socialist leader, signed making it law. Everybody with me. So Why then is the Senate now working on fixes to it. Should'nt that have all been taken care of before it was rammed down our throats with a big ol *#** eating grin, because they are so proud of themselves. Maybe I'm the only one that is having a hard time swallowing this pill. While I'm on the subject, can someone explain to me how taking money from Pel grants for low income students got worked into a health care bill? Can ya please explain that? Hey! You bloodsuckers Why don't you politicians stop suckin the life out of us, while there is still some left?

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This monopoly called government

2010-03-22T00:16:00.001-07:00

We the people, which people were they referring to when our constitution was written? The blue collar everyday, bust your ass America or the white collar elitist, monarchical group of slaveholders making the rules the rest of us must live by? Let's reason this for a moment, there was a time in the world when the king and his family lorded over his peasants. There was no outright laws, oh yes there were laws but if the king wanted something accomplished, who would stand in his way? The lands all belonged to the king, the money all belonged to the king, the people all belonged to the king. The typical peasant scraped by on whatever he could to keep his family fed and to hope for much more was ludicrous. I'm so glad I didn't live in those times, aren't you? Step forward now to the present. The government buys up business manufactures ways to control business and steps on whomever might want to stand in there way. Maybe the problem though is the simple fact that our government is deaf. Tone deaf to be more appropriate. Maybe it's just the average, everyday Joe Blow they can't hear. Maybe they are simply deaf to the cries of reason. Maybe they just don't give a damn what anybody else wants. The government moves, adjusts,positions like a jujitsu black belt patiently waiting for that one general public mistake allowing them to slide around take our back and finally the great American dream is choked out by a monopoly called government.

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No taxation without representation!

2010-03-19T21:46:00.001-07:00

Why do you suppose the more the public objects to Obama care, the more we're told we want it. They speak of the undeniable need, we say no. They project evidences of how critical the subject is, we say no. So now they want to ram it down our throat. How does it make you feel to be treated, like a abused child whom doesn't want to eat the liver and onions Mommy cooked for dinner? The hardest part to swallow is the fact that after the dinner time flogging and force feeding, is you get to have the same thing for breakfast. The cost of this unwanted proogram will put us in way beyond our potential to even dream of ever paying. What the Hell, just print out more paper. And to think, I thought President Bush spent to much, at least while he was spending money we don't have ,he gave us tax breaks. The problem with this even though the economy is still in a land slide, we can obviously afford to pick up a little more of the governmental gap.I thought that history was written by the winners. Imagine my surprise when I realized that reality is written by them too. I hope this comes back to bite them as hard as it's gonna bite us. Don't wworry though, your gonna be told just how happy you are to have this . Why can't they make it simple. Just give us the opportunity to be heard and then act upon our wishws. Somebody please take this muzzle off of me! I want to be hrard! I want to be free! FREEEEdom!!!!!!! God bless

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Born anew

2010-03-17T07:36:00.001-07:00

The blindness of societies gaze, sees only where broken morals lead. If truth then is not really true.how may I ask shall we escape from the judges rule? If hope is empty, we've lost the fight.Surrender; through pleasure to the minority few.
Though now I see, am no longer blind. I see temptation harness, to Hells long line and societies reason, leads an endless slide, of tribulation beyond compare,no hope in the future, just here, only now.Bankrupt morals seeking treasures luster, societal trends, call for no more than a tormented end and all eyes are closed to the answer, of how to make amends. Open awareness of lusting greed, no one stops to question, what we might really need. My hope for the tormented greedy without a clue, is that they seek after life and be born anew.

19 “This, then, is the judgment: The light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who practices wicked things hates the light and avoids it, so that his deeds may not be exposed. 21 But anyone who lives by the truth comes to the light, so that his works may be shown to be accomplished by God.”

John 3:19-21 (HCSB)

12 Then Jesus spoke to them again: “I am the light of the world. Anyone who follows Me will never walk in the darkness but will have the light of life.”[

John 8:12 (HCSB)

." 3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."

John 3:2-3 (NASB)

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Status quo?

2010-03-16T14:17:00.001-07:00

What is it,about people in general, I suppose, but my primary direction is the American public, that makes us believe that a group of fat cat, ever burdening group of rich politicians has any concern for our welfare. They really don't even live in the same world we do. Let's reason about this, they are there to defend you, to speak for you, to bring forward the issues which actually affect you.Answer me this, how does one serve ,when they feel they have rose above?How does one commit to defending your rites, when their primary concern is bettering their own already lucrative environment? How does one hear your concerns, when they refuse to listen? How does one learn what their constituents need, when they refuse to even visit that other strange, needy people, who can do nothing for them.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
The preamble to the consttitution of the United States of America. Funny thing and I have no doubt that our founding fathers, when they drafted this ,the oldest living constituton still in use ,thought nothing of the fact ,that when they elected to draft the securing the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity,those that followed in the future, creating dynasties would cling to the ourselves part and deeply bury their posterity beneath their desires for more.
I tell tou what, why don't you walk up to your boss tommorrow and inform him or her that the employees are going into vote for their raise today . we'll let you know when we're done how much more your're going to pay us. Go ahead and change positions every couple of years, it's ok, you get a pension for each and every position. Go ahead and quit after 4 years, it's ok you still get your pensions. Fight for the people to have government owned health care, it's ok your healthcare paid for by those lesser people out there in the slums is great,give them nothing and applaude your laurels,tell them you did them a favor, they're not in your league, tell them they like it. Who really cares ,next year you can give yourselves another raise. "Oh Hell I gotta piss, bring me a peasant!" If politicians cared about you as much as themseelves, maybe then that amazing constitution drafted to ensure you as much as them, wouldn't be like a spaghetti noodle and bent to arrive at their desires.
Go ahead think they're helping you, I know I'm happy with the status quo!!!!?
God bless you all, even the politicians.

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From within

2010-03-15T15:25:00.001-07:00

I look out from within. I wonder does any one see? How much the pleasure of life, thoroughly eludes me. So I step back in deeper, to analyze me. These days they go by,they gather together and hold me inside. Day after day,I fight the same fight. I stumble through darkness,seeking some light.The cold unfeeling framework, of my unnerving mind, has built steady walls through the process of time. Unfeeling, uncaring, but that's really not me. I search for the love,that can set me free. I'm wading through sorrow and my hunger eats hate. I scan the horizon, seek a good day, but I'm stuck in a mire,been dealt a bad hand ,guess pain is my fate. I'm stuck at a crossroad not sure which way to take, locked in cage, that's my life's ugly truth. Don't pity me, because of where I'm at, just show me the way out. I'm locked in this darkness,somebody open the cage door, I want to be free, unloose my heart strings, I want to be FREE!!1

6 Jesus *said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me

John 14:5-6 (NASB)

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Defending the caveman

2010-03-15T00:43:00.000-07:00

So my wife decided to take me to this. I had no idea what to expect. I had all kinds of time to investigate on the web, but I never got around to it. Going to have to invest in one of those. So we head off to as my wife would tell me,("It's a play") this play. I get there and get a packet of information, including a postcard I can fill out, give back to them and they will mail it out to invite my friends. Great I'm thinking this thing is going to suck so bad. They want me to invite my friends to a lame event that won't be interesting to anyone. This is just amazing so far.So as we head into the I notice in the packet, the stimulating bit of information, telling me it's a 1 man play. I'm thinking to myself "does it get any better?"So I come up with the brilliant plan to sleep through it."Ssshh, be vewy,vewy quiet." As we sit down I see the theater begins to fill up rapidly. I'm thinking to myself, how many other guy's wives drug them here to share in my misery? Gonna be a lot of snoring goin on in here tonight. Then my wife looks over at me and says you're not going to sleep through this are you? Doh! No sweetheart, I wouldn't think of it. Shut up! And away we go! the play starts off with what looks like home movies and just about the time I think great, I start laughing.Then I continued to laugh and I laughed. It was probably ok, not really sure, because I was doing so much laughing until the movie stopped and this guy came out on stage. He starts talking and immediately I'm laughing. I imagine it was pretty funny, not really sure though because everyone around me and all the people were laughing. I twas hard to comprehend what was going on because of all the laughing.To wrap it all up, this show is amazing, If you have the opportunity to go and see it, don't hesitate. It is well worth the time and if you wait till after President Obama gets his government owned health scam into affect, you won't have to worry about the medical bills for the busted gut you'll have. A great show, see it
God bless and if you need a Bible go to www.streetword.org and ask for one.

God vs science

2008-12-20T02:47:00.001-08:00

I have no clue who wrote this, but I find it very interesting and relevant, so enjoy.

A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the

students, 'Let me explain the problem science has with religion.' The

atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks

one of his new students to stand.

'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?

'Yes sir,' the student says.

'So you believe in God?'

'Absolutely.'

'Is God good?'

'Sure! God's good.'

'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'

'Yes.'

'Are you good or evil?'

'The Bible says I'm evil.'

The professor grins knowingly.

'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment. 'Here's one for you.

Let's say there's a sick person over here and you can cure him. You

can do it. Would you help him? Would you try?'

'Yes sir, I would.'

'So you're good.'

'I wouldn't say that.'

'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you

could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't.'

The student does not answer, so the professor continues.

'He doesn't, does He? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer,

even though he prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good?

Hmmm? Can you answer that one?'

The student remains silent.

'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says.

He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give the student

time to relax.

'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'

'Errr yes,' the student says.

'Is Satan good?'

The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'

'Then where does Satan come from?'

The student falters. 'From God'

'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there

evil in this world?'

'Yes, sir.'

'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?'

'Yes.'

'So who created evil?'

The professor continued,

'If God created everything, then God created evil, since evil exists,

and according to the principle that our works define who we are, then

God is evil.'

Again, the student has no answer.

'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible

things, do they exist in this world?'

The student squirms on his feet.

'Yes.'

'So who created them?'

The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his question.

'Who created them?'

There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away to pace

in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.

'Tell me,' he continues onto another student.

'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'

The student's voice betrays him and cracks.

'Yes, professor, I do.'

The old man stops pacing.

'Science says you have five senses you use to identify and observe the

world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?'

'No sir. I've never seen Him.'

'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'

'No, sir, I have not.'

'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your

Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or

God for that matter?'

'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'

'Yet you still believe in him?'

'Yes.'

'According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable

protocol, science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to

that, son?'

'Nothing,' the student replies.

'I only have my faith. '

'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that is the problem

science has with God. There is no evidence, only faith.'

The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of his own.

'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'

'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's heat.'

'And is there such a thing as cold?'

'Yes, son, there's cold too.'

'No sir, there isn't.'

The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested.

The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain.

'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat,

unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't

have anything called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero,

which is no heat, but we can't go any further after that.. There is no

such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder than the

lowest

-458 degrees.' 'Every body or object is susceptible to study when it

has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have

or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of

heat. You see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence

of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units

because heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just

the absence of it.'

Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in

the classroom, sounding like a hammer.

'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?'

'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation. 'What is night if

it isn't darkness?'

'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the

absence of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright

light, flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have

nothing and it's called darkness, isn't it?

That's the meaning we use to define the word.'

'In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make

darkness darker, wouldn't you?'

The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This

will be a good semester.

'So what point are you making, young man?'

'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to

start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed.'

The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time.

'Flawed? Can you explain how?'

'You are working on the premise of duality,' the student explains.

'You argue that there is life and then there's death, a good God and a

bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite,

something we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought.

It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully

understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be

ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.

Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell

me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved from

a monkey?'

'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,

yes, of course I do.'

'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?'

The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes

where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.

'Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and

cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you

not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a

preacher?'

The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the

commotion has subsided.

'To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student,

let me give you an example of what I mean.'

The student looks around the room.

'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the professor's brain?'

The class breaks out into laughter.

'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt

the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one

appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of

empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have

no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So if science says you have

no brain, how can we trust your lectures, sir?'

Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his

face unreadable.

Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.

'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'

'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with

life,' the student continues.

'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'

Now uncertain, the professor responds, 'Of course, there is. We see

it every day. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man.

It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.

These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'

To this the student replied,

'Evil does not exist sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself.

Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold,

a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did

not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not

have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes

when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no

light.'

The professor sat down.

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What's your story?

2008-12-20T00:55:00.001-08:00

What do you believe? Everyone believes something. Science,evolution, relativism, reincarnation, where exactly does your belief system lead you? And what proof can you present?

My belief says that a glorious God created us and everything around us. If this was not all created by God, then how did it all come into being? Science has no solid answers for us. However I might be willing to concede that science and the creator can work together harmoniously. Many great scientists have believed in God. Kelvin, Pasteur, Newton and Einstein to name just a few.

Evolution by all practicle intents and pupose doesn't work by anyones stretch of imagination. Lets think about it reasonably for a moment. When was the last time anything other than nothing was established from nothing,then turned into something else?

Reincarnation? Sounds like nothing more than a means of avoiding death and judgment. what do you suppose being a frog is like? I guess if you can't figure out life as a human the odds you'll get there as a frog or maybe a rock are tremendously improved.

What do you think about relativism? though I guess if thats your thing it really doesn't matter. You could run yourself around in circles for decades trying to incorporate everyones values into a melting pot of ethical conformity. You would not however be able to allow for a just and righteous God. that would then in my opinion be a flawed ideology.

All these belief systems create more questions of themselves than they provide answers. There is only one place your search can take you if you desire answers to life, to why we are here, to what happens after. God not only created everything, he also gave us an instruction manual. The bible holds the answers to your qustions. It holds the answers to questions about life truth and happiness. It tells us of the truth of salvation and how to be reconciled with God through Jesus Christ. I would challenge you to read the bible for yourself and see just how many answers you come up with for those questions you might have.

You see we all must believe in something. Why not make that something the creator of everything?

God bless and may he lead you to true happiness

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The conversation

2008-12-14T19:10:00.001-08:00

How are you doing?

I'd be doing a lot better if the weather would clear up.

Did God rain on your parade?

Something like that, but I don't think it was God I'm an atheist.

I doubt it probably more agnostic.

What?

Atheism doesn't exist.

What are you talking about I just said it did, God doesn't exist.

What does God look like to you?

Nothing, I just told you God does not exist.

So is that your definition of existence then, being something?

Okay, I guess you could say that.

Is that rock something?

Yes.

Is the sidewalk something?

Yes.

Do they then exist?

In a manner of speaking, yes.

Is a thought something?

Yes.

So have you ever thought about God?

No.

Are you sure? Do you just jump to illogical conclusions without thinking?

No, you're trying to twist my words around.

I'm trying to lead you into the light, that you might know the truth.

I have used logic to come to the conclusion that there is no God.

So you have thought about God?

Yeah, okay I have thought about God and I don't believe.

Your logic is fooling you because you have already admitted you believe in God.

No I haven't, you are not hearing what I'm saying.

I hear you clearly, I don't think you are listening to yourself.

Whatever, I don't want to talk about your God.

It's not my God; It's your God we are talking about.

I don't believe in God.

You have to admit though, you have thought about God. If you had'nt you could'nt actually say without doubt in your own mind that there might possibly be a God. If you had not at least thought about the fact of God, to simply disclaim His being would be somewhat stupid. Are you stupid?

No.

So you have thought about God?

Yes.

So if a thought is something and something is existence, then even if God is just a pure and simple thought, you have to admit He exists.

You can twist my words all you want, I still don't believe.

We have established you do believe, even if God is just a thought, we just have to work on your salvation now.

So if I give you that, If God does exist simply as a thought,then you have to concede that God would cease to exist soon

as I stop thinking about Him.

Everything man has created originated from just a thought, I believe that you would be hard pressed to stop thinking about it. Just because something is not on your mind for a moment, that does not defer it's relevance.

Yeah but if God is just a thought, then once the thought is gone then so is God.

What about when someone else thinks about the thought that you call god? To be completely honest though you have to understand that God is more than a thought, much more.

So you said that atheism couldn't exist, how can you explain that?

What does your atheist religion claim you believe in?

It's not a religion; it's a lack of religion.

If that were true there wouldn't be so many people out there trying to evangelize for atheism. I would call it one of the more aggressive religions there is. So what is it that your atheism worships?

Nothing, that's the point, there is no God.

Define nothing.

How do you define nothing? It is nothing, now I have to ask you are you stupid?

Possibly, but think about it in nothing, still there is something.

Huh?

What's in your hand?

Nothing, Ha, see I win.

Okay so if you cupped your hand would it hold air?

Yeah, kind of.

Isn't air one of those life sustaining somethings?

Yes, but there is still nothing.

If it is something you require to stay alive how can you say it is nothing? Even in the vacuum of space there is something, in all places at all times there is something. Something is like God in that aspect.

So God is something?

See I knew you would come around.

No, wait a minute, that's not what I said

Okay, doesn't nothingness define non-existence?

More or less, that's what I've been saying, God is nothing

But then to believe in nothing, would be a non-existent hypothesis.

Exactly what I'm telling you. God doesn't exist he is nothing, what part of that don't you understand?

We have already established your belief in God now it's just a matter of your acceptance of Jesus as Lord and Savior, but we are showing now that atheism does not exist.

Yeah but now I've got you, because by your own argument if a thought is something and something exists then I have thought about it and I believe that atheism does exist, so now what do you have to say?

But your belief tells you to believe in nothing, nothingness is an inconceivable concept. Remember even in nothing there is something, so I don't understand how a belief in nothing can be upheld.

It's not really a belief in nothing; it's a belief in no God.

We have already established however your belief in God, so how can that be a belief? Your belief structure has a flaw. If you would like to fix that we could discuss how you might find salvation through belief in Jesus Christ.

No thanks.

You don't want to know the truth?

I know the truth I know what I believe.

So you are then assured of salvation?

I don't know nothing about that, but I do know that what I believe is the truth to me.

So truth is relative then? Is that what you are saying?

Yeah, you know everybody has there own perception of what is true.

Wow it would be great if the law worked like that, no your honor that is not one of my laws so I can't be charged with it.

Now you're talking!

So I'm not really sure if you are an anarchist or a relativist. Do you know?

I'm hopeless

We all are that's why we need Jesus, that's why he paid the price for our sins that's why we can't do it on our own. I've got to get going, you have a great day and may God bless you

You too.